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Iron cup discovered inside a piece of Coal that is 300 million years old

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Iron cup discovered inside a piece of Coal that is 300 million years old

It’s a perfect piece of metal and it was discovered in 1912 in a mine in Wilburton, Oklahoma, its discoverer was Frank J. Kennard and according to him, it was found within a block of coal. But what makes this cup so mysterious? Well, as many other objects found across the world, the age of the artifact has caused debate.

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Kennard, who was in 1948 a Benton Co worker, said: “While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Oklahoma in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the centre leaving the impression mould of the pot in the piece of coal. Jim Stall (an employee of the company) witnessed the breaking of the coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came from the Wilburton, Oklahoma, Mines.”

The coal that originated from the mines of Wilburton, Oklahoma, is estimated to be around 300 million years old. This is where the story ignites and goes cold according to some.

Regrettably, the only evidence comes from the testimony of a person and that does not have much scientific rigor according to skeptics, besides, this object vanished like many others who had a similar story, and similar age and apparently shared the same faith. If the object was found today, it would provide much more insight into the discovery, the origin of the item, who created it and what was the purpose, but most importantly it would shed light on its true age.

There is the theory regarding how an object like that might have ended up inside the coal, as the mines are filled with puddles of saturated water, eventually the water hardens and the object might have ended up inside the piece of coal. As noted by Mark Isaac: “The cup appears to be cast iron, and cast iron technology began in the eighteenth century. Its design is much like pots used to hold molten metals and may have been used by a tinsmith, tinker, or person casting bullets.”

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The usual problems are seen in the discovery of this item, anecdotal evidence is basically the only thing we have, yet that does not explain how the artifact ended up embedded in the coal which is around 300 million years old. So as skeptics would say, no matter how certain Frank Kennard might have been at the time of his discovery, skeptics will provide dozens of alternative explanations regarding the item and how it ended up inside the coal. Not only for this item, but for many other items with similar age.

Of course, this might as well be a joke, but if it were a joke, wouldn’t it be already proven to be just that, a joke? Ancient alien theorist have a high regard when it comes to items like this, they are both mysterious, and challenge the typical views of history and archaeology. It seems that every time one of these items pops up, they are seen by archaeology and mainstream history as potential “enemies” since their true origin and age might challenge the conventional way, researchers look at history and civilization.


Isaac, Marc. 2005. Claim CC131, Talkorigins.org website article

31 Comments
  • Urbane_Gorilla

    This is silly. It’s a hoax as are so many of these. No way would a steel pot made in the 1800s be imbedded in coal, unless that century managed to master time travel…. Uh..

    • I-RIGHT-I

      Iron isn’t steel. The pot is a million years old. We didn’t know we were here before.

      • Urbane_Gorilla

        Read the article : “The cup appears to be cast iron, and cast iron technology began in the eighteenth century.” ..Who cares if it was steel or iron? The only difference between iron and steel is the addition of carbon….Gee! D’y a think there might be carbon in coal? Derp!

        • I-RIGHT-I

          Did you just call me a Derp you fqing peasant!!?? Who doesn’t know cast iron implements have been discovered and dated to 500 BC and doesn’t know the difference between iron and steel and doesn’t have enough snap to respond to the real tickler; “we didn’t know we were here before”. Is that what you did? Yeah, it is.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            Read the article.

          • I-RIGHT-I

            If I read it again it will not make you anything more than a fqing peasant until you apologize for calling me a damn derp.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            1) You clearly didn’t read or understand the article
            2) You went off on a subject (iron -vs- steel) that really has no relevance to a ‘modern’ object supposedly buried ‘300 million years ago’.
            3) I didn’t call you a derp. ‘Derp’ is an expression, like ‘OMG’ or ‘Fiddlysticks’.

            Pay attention.

        • Dustin M.

          Yes, it says “The cup appears to be cast iron, and cast iron technology began in the eighteenth century”, however, you failed to understand what the article and the evidence were implying.
          Perhaps what is commonly told as the true history is merely misinformation based on ignorance.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            I think I understand the article..It says quite clearly “The usual problems are seen in the discovery of this item, anecdotal
            evidence is basically the only thing we have, yet that does not explain
            how the artifact ended up embedded in the coal which is around 300
            million years old”. What’s to understand. This article says that with absolutely no evidence (” anecdotal evidence is basically the only thing we have” ) .. They presume that somehow an 1800’s to the present (iron is still forged today BTW) item was imbedded in a coal seam “300 million years ago”. The article seems very clear. The assumption with no evidence is absurd, as is your statement “Perhaps what is commonly told as the true history is merely misinformation based on ignorance”, which in tells me that you’re willing to accept that somehow a pot from the 1800’s forward transported itself into a coal seam….based on a story told by some guy. Not that is a DERP moment!

          • Dustin M.

            Whoever said it was actually from the 1800’s? And that is where the part that the history you were taught may not be true.
            It seems you are just trying to make an argument that sounds good based on your own bias just to try to make me and others sound idiotic, even though you have apparently put no real critical thought into the subject itself.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            Not me….I said cast iron began in the 1800s and is still produced today.Or did you miss that? The article did say:

            As noted by Mark Isaac: “The cup appears to be cast iron, and cast iron technology began in the eighteenth century.

            ..or did you miss that as well?

            All I’m saying is that you have to be an idiot to think that either a cup of this nature was made 300 million years ago, or somehow transported back in time and sequestered in the primordial soup that became coal. I’m holding my breath waiting for you to tell me which you feel is ‘reality’… LOL!

          • Dustin M.

            I never said I actually believe that, but it’s rather speculation, of which I have no proof and neither do you on your assumption. However, it does simply say “it appears”, so the person who wrote the article clarified they do not know either, and from previous theories based on the formation of coal, that cup was supposedly not made in the 1800 if you do not include the hypothesis of time travel.
            I for one try not to be bias and deny hypothesis that are yet to be proven, however I do not fully believe them.
            So, with that said, that cup being made far before the 1800’s can be possible, considering we do not know what actually happened that long ago. Perhaps it was ancient aliens that were actually casting bullets for their firearms. Or something completely different might have happened, I can not say, because I simply do not know, however I will not blatantly deny the hypothesis.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            A-a-a-n-d that’s about how I figured you’d reply. Not ‘it was a scam’, or ‘somehow a pot slipped down a coal seam during mining and got trapped in a hole in a lump of coal’, but ‘Dr Who magically transported a pot produced by the Eloi into a lump of coal…..because it’s a possibility.’ Good lord!

          • Dustin M.

            Apparently you just don’t want to let go of your bias.
            I take no side, but for some off reason you keep wanting to try to force your ideology on others.

          • Urbane_Gorilla

            Wasn’t aware logic was a bias…except for idiot Creationists.

          • Dustin M.

            Apparently you just don’t want to let go of your bias.
            I take no side, but for some odd reason you keep wanting to try to force your “so sure” ideology on others even though you have absolutely no idea of what happened, there can only be speculation, which I have speculated according to the information.

      • Fuzzybunny

        We don’t even have many iron finds from 1000 years ago, reason being iron rusts away.
        Also coal is usually pretty wet, source me growing up on a goddamned coal mine.
        So believing this is a million years old just makes you look ignorant and rather silly.

  • Otto Greif

    That’s not an iron cup, that’s a fuel tank cap from a UFO.

  • I-RIGHT-I

    That’s my old ashtray! It’s like deja vu all over again!

  • Keith

    Interesting even if there are no answers.

  • Ace Smithart

    Indeed. The book The First Americans. details the discovery of a scrimshaw on a Mastadon Tooth found in a sediment layer 600,000 years old.

  • Sam Kimmins

    so… someone found a cup in some coal. But doesn’t have it anymore… and doesn’t have the bit of coal with the imprint…? Right.

  • Spiffy

    The
    difference between Science and Magic is understanding. To that end, I
    do not believe there is Magic, only what we do not understand. I
    certainly do not believe in Geological Magic. Those people/Scientists
    who refute empirical evidence (most likely based on personal
    discomfort), have no place in Science.

  • who cares

    Alien stuff, looks like a hat to me, I thought iron rusts over time.

  • WorldWideBum

    300 million years old. Now that’s funny.

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  • Fuzzybunny

    “eventually the water hardens”
    What the actual hell is that sentence?

    Also, coal is wet, iron rusts. Find is bullshit.

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